I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here but this is a really fresh approach to an old (by now) issue. Please read and just have an open mind because I think this woman says it more succinctly and sanely than anyone has in a while now. Just think about what she says.
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I wish I were more computer savy, I'd copy and paste some of my favorite ideas from this author but I hope you take the time to read this article. She has some very sensible and logical ideas.
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Mom approved. Can't wait to vote for this.
Have you gotten your CA voter guide? Usually they've arrived by now.
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Oh, if only I lived in California! Thanks for your comment!
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Legalizing somethings can always be hard thing to do, also when ever it is done, it can create problems in somewhere else, or not work as planned otherwise.
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There are so many good reasons to legalize cannabis. I can't think of a good reason to keep it outlawed, but I can think of lots of financial gain to be had by maintaining cannabis prohibition.
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Kate, thanks for your positive comment. It certainly is something more people need to talk about but I'm afraid the drug "stigma" has firmly attached itself to pot.It has been found to kill cancer cells and evidently our government has known about this and NOT acknowlegded any of the research. It's criminal.
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Too many industries, not the least of which is the for-profit prison industry, profit from the cannabis prohibition. I don't believe the laws will change until the corporate control of government ends. (But then I'm a professional cynic!)
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Unfortunately, it's all about how one (ie; the government) can make the most money. Since just about everything can be made from hemp (which everyone with cannibis knowledge knows you can't get high from it), it would give the major companies competition. Drug companies, oil industry, etc., etc., etc., would go down fast. I'd LOVE to see this happen. But those with power have just that. Power. I was in the healthcare industry long enough to see marijuana does more to help those who need it FAR better than any prescribed RX.
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Kate and Grim Reaper- Thank you both so much for participating in my little dialogue. I would love to see more people reading, asking questions, and demanding answers. If you can get through my post to Steppin stones,(long winded I'm afraid) it says alot about how I feel. I have to give it to Steppin stones, she talked honestly with her daughter and it worked great for her. My mother was progressive and always told me the truth, as she knew it. I believe she did me a great service, as I think Steppin stones has.
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I sat my oldest daughter down and we had a good long talk about pot smoking. We came to the agreement that if she was going to smoke she would wait until after high school. Then should she decide to she could come to me and i would give her something to try. I did this because if they make up their mind that they are going to do it there is not much you as a parent can do to stop it.
She turns 20 this month, has tried it and decided it is not for her. I know this wouldnt work with all kids, but it seems to have worked with mine.
I would like to see cannibas legalised for many reasons.
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I gave this same speech to my son when he was 16 and came home both high and nauseated. I pointed out that the pot may have been laced with something as it normally doesn't cause nausea, and I also explained why pot, alcohol, and other drugs are so dangerous for kids who are still developing. There's time enough for experimenting when you're older. He seemed to get it.
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I pointed out the same thing to her, how it can damage a still developing brain and body.
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Steppin stones-I can appreciate your honesty with your child, that takes alot of courage. Now, I might propose that, say an adolescent with severe anorexia, would benefit from cannabinoids as it increases apetite and IMO, may help stave off the mental disorder. In one of my other lives, I worked for child protective services and I found that most of the young girls had no idea about so many things, it was un-nerving. This was in a border town mind you, but it was still real world. My heart was broken so many times when I would see a child that I knew I was limited to help, so what I gave them was the truth. Mainly about their bodies, but sometimes about drugs, or boyfriends, parents, stealing, lying........
Our government has lied to us for many years about something as benign as marijuanna. As it turns out, it is anything but. It has great healing properties. They've recently let it be known that it kills some types of cancer cells. I have to wonder why this is not headline news. Far from being a gateway drug, as so many were led to believe, it can actually calm the beast within. Unfortunately, the "war on drugs" has spread this mis-information into the public schools. When you give the wrong information to people, how can you expect their respect in return?
That's why it is really important for people like you and I to converse about this. We need to dispel the untruths and the stigma. There are so many wonderful things that this plant can do for so many. Bottom line, IMO, it has to be declared property of the people. I believe one of the main reasons it has remained illegal is the profit factor. Sadly, in our country, that is what motivates so much of our society.
Sorry I rambled on so, this is dear to my heart.
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The only thing about marijuana that makes it a "gateway drug" is that kids are told all kinds of lies and scary stories about it, they try it and discover the lies were exactly that, so they assume all the drug info they've been given is equally false and try other (truly addictive) drugs.
Water is a gateway drug - who ever heard of an alcoholic that didn't start out drinking water first?
Or maybe Tylenol is a gateway drug; ever heard of a coke, heroin or meth addict who didn't take tylenol first?
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Kate, you make a very good point -
Gaynel- I always try to tell my kids the truth as I know it.
I would rather smoke a little pot than take the attivan or dilaudid i have for pain and muscle problems. It's not addictive like the meds and doesnt turn you into a beast.
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Oh Steppin stones, don't get me going on "ativan". IMO, that drug should be taken off the market. I have never seen anyone have good results with ativan. It is a really bad drug and nursing homes use it (or use to) more or less as "chemical" restraints. VERY addictive and it truely alters your personality for the worse. While we can't, nor should we, do without pharmaceuticals, that industry needs closer monitoring.
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Actually there are times when I absolutely have to take it. I get awful spasms that are akin to watching a fish out of water, if I dont take it at these times it doesnt stop and only gets worse. However it's the only time I take them. I think there is an apropriate amount for just about everything, nothing in excess is good for you. The problem I see with it is people tend to abuse it after a while and take more than they should so then the addiction and personality changes start.
I will agree with you that the pharmaceutical industry does need closer monitering. Sometimes it seems they would rather push pills on you to keep you where you are, not get well and keep taking the pills.
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Steppin stones- I humbly appologize. I in no way mean to pass judgement on anything you may do. I know that I spout my big mouth alot and I mean everything I say, for myself, only. I might try and persuade you to my side of things, but all done in a most fair way. Believe me, I understand pain, dis-ability, (ah, somebody will prolly jump on that) I state my opinions based on my personal experience and understanding. I have only walked in my shoes.
Oh no, I was not offended at all no need to apologize. I was just trying to say that while something may be abused when it is wrongly prescribed does not mean it is all together a bad thing. :)
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Wonderful stuff. .. the discussion and the product. I've worked in social services and the mental health field since the mid 1970,s and have seen so many people who have used pot who have functioned quite well and prospered in their lives and careers. I have seen a large number of recreational alcohol users crash and burn. The government, bless it's heart, just cannot seem to get the message painted in blood on the streets of Chicago and New York during the prohibition years. Legalize it and LET'S TAKE A BITE OUT OF CRIME!!
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AMEN Alreadybent! Very well said.
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Alreadybent- I wanted to add some more comments to your post earlier but had to be in a hurry. Your last sentence "Let's take a bite out of crime" is really funny! Do you live in Arizona? I think Sheriff Arpaio says that! lol I digress.
You talked about smokers and drinkers and I agree. When it comes to addiction, we are in a whole different arena. If cannabis were legal, retricted at least by age, I think it would change things drastically. If you read further down in "thiscantbe"s post, she stated she's 21 and had very good things to say. On the other hand, as I'm sure you know, there are some that, for whatever reason, are different. I am one of those, different ones. I am my own worst enemy, always have been. But through some grace of God, I am here and mostly sentient. We would have no need for this conversation if I could just be "not so different"......and that would make me happy indeed.
I am not a parent, I am only 21, but I know my mother and father have not tried it, nor do they drink, so in turn, I saw no point to ever do it. I think parents should lead by example. I know lots of pot heads at my college, and I refuse to deal with them personally. I found out one of my friends started smoking sophmore year and hasn't stopped, needless to say, we are no longer friends.
Just because it comes from the Earth doest not mean it's safe. I'll pass, and I hope to God that my children are like me and take after my family and don't drink or use drugs.
thiscantbe- I applaud your abstinance, your family leading by example, those are qualities that I admire. Unfortunately for me, anyway, I have medical problems that have to be dealt with. I think at some point, in anyone's life, we each may have to do things differently than we ever thought we would. It comes as kind of a rude awakening but nonetheless, you deal with it the best you can, and that has to be good enough. No violins here, just a bite out of reality.
I really appreciate your contribution here and encourage you to join in more. Young people should spend more time interacting with sensible adults (well), you know what I mean.
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I am a little hesitant to add anymore to the discussion at risk of having to come at the subject from two sides at the same time. The weakness one person may have in becoming depended on a substance, legal or other, is not the issue. Pot is a substance that can be enjoyed and appreciated by a great many people without them becoming dependent or "dumbed down" by the experience. There are always exceptions to the rule.
Parents have a job to do. That job is to help children, of all ages, make choices that will assist them in adjusting to the demands of the world. Educational demands and social demands. Recreational drug choices should be a part of that agenda. Some parents are basket cases themselves and have run from choices they made in high school and college to equally bad choices.....like narrow minded viewpoints that do nothing to advance a child's development.
There should be age limitations on the use of recreational devices for sure. However, the criminalization of a substance to justify one's lack of understanding should not be allowed to happen. We saw, during prohibetition, how the criminalization of alcohol led to the development of organized crime in the U.S.. Thousands died because some thought alcohol to be a sinful thing to have around. So, for the sake of good, we created something horrible.
The cost of imprisonment for people convicted of crime in the U.S. is more than $30,000.00 per year. The casual user, buyer, seller of the product, "POT" who happens to get arrested and prosecuted and convicted is costing the tax payer a fortune. Why not decriminalize the substance and put the money, formerly used to incarcerate people, to good use in the field of rehabilitation for those with real problems of addiction to the hard drugs.
If you look at the statistics of addiction from the 1960's to the present you will see that the percentage of the population truely addicted to hard drugs is about the same. On the other side of the coin the percentage of people being arrested and incarcerated for simple possession has increased. We really need to decide if we are going to continue to fatten the budget of law enforcement agencies or are we going to let the police go back to going after the bad guys and put a great deal of money into rehabilitation programs that will certainly benefit a great number of "innocent people".
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Alreadybent, as someone on the front lines, so to speak, you have probably seen it all. With that bieng the case, you have made some really good points that if read by more people, maybe they would begin to see the light. Mj is not the enemy "reefer madness" drug that it has been promoted as. It actually has many medicinal properties that are quite astounding, like killing cancer cells. I think more people ARE ready to get off the old bandwagon of prohibition, but are afraid to speak out due to the stigma that has been attached.
The whole "drug war" theme has run it's course. It was presented with lots of false information and more people are finding out. Children in school know the difference between the truth and lies, and when they are lied to it creates doubt about authority (government). Honestly, what does anyone expect in return when they tell mistruths? Should we just keep letting them lie to our children and play along? What does that make us look like in the eyes of our children? You know, a little lineal thinking is all it takes for anyone to figure out that the american people have been done a great injustice and it needs to stop.
Thank you Alreadybent for your thoughtful AND insightful words. Maybe you will have sparked a light somewhere!
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